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[Inscription] Cataclysm Inscription

  1. Shifty <Member>, 1 year ago:

    I would just like to start by saying hello to all fellow scribes. Thanks for viewing my post.

    Now, with the upcoming Cataclysm release, I've been wondering about glyphs in Cata. I'm afraid that the current glyphs will still outweigh the new ones (if they create new ones), keeping the market for glyphs the same, which is good for some servers and worse for others.

    I don't think Blizzard would make the new glyphs OP, making them a definate need, maybe they would, who knows? How do you guys see Inscription in Cataclysm? Rare glyphs maybe? EPIC GLYPHS?

  2. Thay <Member>, 1 year ago:

    Hard to say, they could start making glyphs that are Level restricted.
    At the moment the only restriction is that of when you get the talent, this may change in Cata.

    Also a lot of the current Glyphs will need to be re-done or removed since they are re-building the talent trees.

    This gives us the possibility of Glyphs affecting Mastery's as well.
    Oh, and of course there are all the new talents from 81-85 that can be brand new Glyphs.

    Eg Smoke Bomb - Minor Glyph of Smoke - Add green dye into the smoke to make the smoke bomb be green.....

    This is aside from the new Lv85 off-hand items and other craftables that they can add.

  3. el <Nat Pagle's Love Child>, 1 year ago:

    This is going to be interesting for a couple of reasons:

    Many of the features that we originally thought would go into Inscription appear to be going into Archaeology instead. So I doubt there will be anything radically new in Cataclysm Inscription.

    Glyphs have never been tiered. There's no progression from a lesser stat to a better stat - each glyph does something entirely unique, and most scale with spells anyway - a glyph "gets better" because your other gear got better. While new/changed spells and abilities will occur in Cataclysm, it is hard to see how there will suddenly be hundreds of new glyphs added. Unless large numbers of old glyphs are retained in spite of having no purpose (like the Warlock Glyph of Souls - a spell for which mana is irrelvant, because it isn't used in combat).

    Inscription was poorly balanced relative to the rest of the economy. Not only the low demand for glyphs compared to the ease of making them. But also the way Old Azeroth herbs were just as likely to be required for a "good" glyph as Northrend herbs. Lack of flight in Old Azeroth meant that auction prices for low-level herbs could be higher than Northrend-level herbs, which never fitted the logic of the rest of the game. The Ink Trader leveled prices, but ultimately just diluted the herb economy, by making all herbs rather similar (for Scribes, at least). That could be addressed in Cataclysm, which is logically a good opportunity to rework pre-expansion elements of professions.

    Lastly, the role of a minor glyphs could be reviewed. I know for a Warlock, it's a real struggle to fill 3 slots with anything that even sounds like it might be useful. In contrast to (depending on spec' and role), some major glyphs we are more-or-less game-changingly essential. Minor glyphs could become more like diluted versions of major glyphs. Or they could become entirely cosmetic.

    • Character: El (EU-Ravenholdt).
  4. Tayluca <Member>, 1 year ago:

    In regards to training new recipes, can anyone confirm how we will learn the new recipes? i.e All of them from the profession trainers, book of glyph mastery or maybe a new type of mastery book in the xpac, drops from instances, etc? So far all I've seen is info from the profession trainers. Should I be stocking up on book of glyph mastery despite having all current recipes just in case?

  5. el <Nat Pagle's Love Child>, 1 year ago:

    So far, everything we know about is trainable. However, there are no new glyphs yet, and only very minor changes to pre-Cataclysm Inscription.

    • Character: El (EU-Ravenholdt).
  6. Yoco <Member>, 1 year ago:

    Due to bugs I lost all my recipes before even being able to use my inscription skill for the first time, and I assume the same is true for many other scribes on the beta.

    Using northern and minor inscription research taught me recipes, but those were recipes my live character already knows, not truly 'new' recipes. I have no idea if those forms of research, or the glyph mastery books, will teach new recipes, but testing that may take a long time. I did notice that some glyphs are mentioned in the new glyph tab of the talent window that I haven't seen a recipe for yet (and are not taught by the trainer).

    I haven't seens any 'new' kind of research or books yet.

  7. Tayluca <Member>, 1 year ago:

    Thank you El and Yoco. I was not extended a beta invitation this time around so I'm even more grateful for this site and other's like it. I've enjoyed reading all of the updates you've all been posting very much. Thanks for your hard work!

  8. el <Nat Pagle's Love Child>, 1 year ago:

    One possibility is that Book of Glyph Mastery will also drop in Cataclysm zones. This is logical for 2 reasons:

    1. There will be less (player) activity in Northrend, so fewer books would end up in circulation, forcing people to farm Northerend mobs, which is precisely what new expansions never encourage - they'd much rather you were in new zones.
    2. The number of glyphs has fallen slightly, and shows no sign of increasing. I listed a few specific glyphs that have been removed (technically Charred) here. Where new glyphs have been added, they are conversions of old glyphs**.

    (I will try and post a full list of glyph conversions later, but the data is still very buggy, and sometimes the recipe names don't match the name of the glyph made, which makes it hard to be sure what is bugged and what is intended.)

    (** Normally there is no change to training method - the main exception is where the type of the glyph has changed - for example, a major glyph that has become a minor, may now be learnt from Minor Research, not a trainer, and vice versa.)

    • Character: El (EU-Ravenholdt).
  9. Hagu <Member>, 1 year ago:

    In 10 (or 3 or 17 ...) days, 4.0.1 will hit. I am confused.

    In the "month" between 4.0.1 and cata, is your current-best-guess-subject-to-change:

    We can train our max prof level to 525, we can learn to make, for example, the scrolls, but we can not make any because the ink cant be made cause the herbs are not yet in the game?

    Does and armor vellum I, II and III all transform 1-to-1 into the new vellum when 4.0.1 hits?

  10. el <Nat Pagle's Love Child>, 1 year ago:

    4.0.1 is absolutely riddled with bugs at the moment. I'd be surprised to see it on live realms so soon.

    Training above 450 requires the Cataclysm expansion. There are only a couple of genuinely new recipes on the PTR - all below 450, using existing inks. The big changes are to existing recipes - the glyphs themselves and the volume of ink needed.

    Vellums appear (from the data) to either automatically convert to the new vellum, or become "Ruined Vellum", which has a "Use: Restore to a useable Enchanting Vellum." So it looks like no vellum will be lost - you may just have a lot of clicking to do.

    • Character: El (EU-Ravenholdt).
  11. Hagu <Member>, 1 year ago:

    Thanks for everything in general as well as the above reply in particular.

    Re "4.0.1 is absolutely riddled with bugs at the moment. I'd be surprised to see it on live realms so soon." - I was working off the MMOC Nov 2 date. Today's Amazon date seems more credible at the moment.

    So prior to 4.0.1 we need whatever stockpiled we want, dump soon-to-be charred glyphs

    during 4.0.1 there is little to no new recipes to train? Just selling transformed glyphs, new cookie cutter glyphs and filling up completionists' glyph books.

    cata day: train, learn new glyphs, sell to goblins/worgens levelers

    cata plus a month or so: a pretty small part of inscription sales is glyphs would be my guess

    Thanks again.

  12. North <Member>, 1 year ago:

    So what are the impressions of Inscription so far in Cata?

    I made good money from Darkmoon cards (Nobles) soon after WotLK released, but the cards are not selling as well this xpac. This is likely because the BiS trinkets are easily obtained from other sources.

    I find this similar with the OH items / relics, and although I have sold the blue items I crafted while leveling inscription, the basic mats that generated them would probably have netted me more in the current econ.

    I'm interested to hear other's experiences. I'm not interested in micromanaging large volumes of glyphs on AH, so am I sunk in regards to cashflow this xpac?

  13. Reynn <Member>, 1 year ago:

    North wrote:

    So what are the impressions of Inscription so far in Cata?

    Basically I've made a few relics/off hands for myself, alts and friends/guildies. They aren't selling since they aren't anywhere near BIS and the mats are prohibitive compared to the effort needed to get the alternatives.

    I've made enough cards for my own volcano deck, but the extras aren't selling well. Worse, the prices for those that do sell are plummeting. I managed to sell a few at 2k, but now prices are quickly dropping to a bit more than 1k. I was lucky so I only have about 10 extras after getting my deck.

    Honestly, the best money maker right now is selling the inks. But even that isn't as good as just selling the herbs!

    The "permanent" glyphs in Cata really undercut 90% of the reason that inscription is a profession. Kinda wondering how long I'll keep it unless they make it suck a bit less. /shrug

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