http://www.elsprofessions.com/forums/tags/products Discussion about professions in World of Warcraft. en-US Fri, 10 Feb 2012 01:52:20 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=1.0.3 q http://www.elsprofessions.com/forums/search.php http://www.elsprofessions.com/forums/topic/vellum-question#post-389 Wed, 22 Dec 2010 21:44:28 +0000 Shika 389@http://www.elsprofessions.com/forums/ <p>I just want to add that I have used the Adventurer's Journal to gain +15% in damage against Humanoids. </p> http://www.elsprofessions.com/forums/topic/issues-with-inscription-and-value-for-investment#post-298 Wed, 25 Feb 2009 15:01:13 +0000 el 298@http://www.elsprofessions.com/forums/ <p>I agree there is currently nothing to separate scribes, except long-term commitment to the profession - several months and a lot of herbs invested in discovering everything.</p> <p>What will be interesting to see is whether a new, more restrictive method of learning glyph recipes emerges. One theory is that the profession trainers at the new Argent Tournament in Icecrown will eventually offer new recipes, but perhaps only in exchange for tokens (such as the new Aspirant's Seal, rewarded from some of the new dailies) or reputation (Silver Covenant rep can now be gained) or something. Otherwise it doesn't make much sense for all those trainers to be camped out on isolated, wind-swept, building site.</p> <p>Of course that still doesn't solve the underlying "low cost+low volume" flaw. </p> http://www.elsprofessions.com/forums/topic/issues-with-inscription-and-value-for-investment#post-297 Wed, 25 Feb 2009 14:15:41 +0000 North 297@http://www.elsprofessions.com/forums/ <p><cite>el <a href="http://www.elsprofessions.com/forums/topic/issues-with-inscription-and-value-for-investment#post-296" title="View original post.">wrote</a>:</cite></p> <blockquote><p>I must admit that there is a valuable aspect of Inscription that I overlooked.<br /> I originally expected glyphs to be like other items produced by professions: Once the stats of the item go live, the item almost never changes.<br /> Glyphs are not like that. </p></blockquote> <p>That's a neat observation. Although there is still the issue that glyphs are universally known and mats are relatively basic, so costs remain low and the market can be saturated by just one crafter. Do you agree? </p> http://www.elsprofessions.com/forums/topic/issues-with-inscription-and-value-for-investment#post-296 Wed, 25 Feb 2009 10:19:20 +0000 el 296@http://www.elsprofessions.com/forums/ <p>I must admit that there is a valuable aspect of Inscription that I overlooked.</p> <p>I originally expected glyphs to be like other items produced by professions: Once the stats of the item go live, the item almost never changes.</p> <p>Glyphs are not like that. They are linked directly to spells, talents, and overall class balance. Hence we are <a href="http://www.elsprofessions.com/news/31-inscription-changes-test-version-9614.html">now seeing</a> changes to many of the original glyphs. Again.</p> <p>Since class balance is a never-ending process, we can also expect that glyphs will be forever changing. Even without changes to glyphs themselves, changes to talents and spells will change the popularity of glyphs.</p> <p>All this gives the profession an unusual "consumable" quality: Every major patch will see a high proportion of people changing their glyphs.</p> <p>That does not create Alchemy-level demand for glyphs, but it does mean that patch day will always create fresh demand for glyphs. </p> http://www.elsprofessions.com/forums/topic/help-im-maxed-out-and-the-gold-train-is-gone#post-289 Wed, 04 Feb 2009 17:31:26 +0000 leonal.ee 289@http://www.elsprofessions.com/forums/ <p>Here are a few basic tips for making money with inscription:<br /> Tip #1 - Undercut by 1s or less. The lowest priced glyph gets bought, but undercutting by 1c is all it really takes. Undercut by more than that and you're costing yourself money.<br /> Tip #2 - Post for the shortest time possible. Once your glyph is undercut, it's usually dead. If you can make sure you have the cheapest glyph (by 1c) every 12 hours, you'll make (incredible amounts of) money.<br /> Tip #3 - Only post 1 or 2 glyphs of a given type at a time. When folks post 4 or more glyphs of the same type, it gives the impression of a glut and folks wait to purchase assuming the price will come down.<br /> Tip #4 - Keep track of which glyphs sell. You are wasting precious resources if you continue to make glyphs that consistantly sell for a low price or very infrequently. (Correllary: never post a glyph for less than it costs to make.)<br /> Tip #5 - Buy up glyphs from folks who post them for too little. This decreases your need for raw materials and keep a constant upward pressure on the prices. I often buy up all available glyphs of one type ( usually 5 or 6 glyphs) for a gold or less each and find that I can sell that same glyph for 40g without difficulty once you've cleared out the underpriced noise.<br /> Tip #6 - If there's no competition, post for 15g or more. Competition will rapidly drive the price down on slow moving glyphs. Rapid moving glyphs will be able to maintain a higher price. I actually post most of my uncontested glyphs at 50g.<br /> Tip #7 - Packs of Endless Pockets are not unique equiped. I keep 4 of them stocked with glyphs and supplies. I swap them with another set of regular bags in the bank when I go questing so it's very easy to switch between questing mode and AH mode. Having 60 different glyphs on your person when you are in the AH with Auctioneer makes it very easy to get a wide variety of glyphs out quickly.</p> <p>Happy Scribing! </p> http://www.elsprofessions.com/forums/topic/issues-with-inscription-and-value-for-investment#post-288 Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:03:58 +0000 Zim 288@http://www.elsprofessions.com/forums/ <p>I guess it always come down to playstyle.<br /> I´m not a gatherer, no matter how profitable it is (and It is a winner for sure!) or if it´s easier with 280% flyer or not. I found it too boring running around following addons for mines or herbs.<br /> I quest and get some herbs for inscription along the path, but its the least source of my herbs, most of them came from AH. I use the resources this site gives: milling list. You always can find a good bargain for your ink needs.</p> <p>And this patch brings a whole new money-saver Jessica Sellers. I love her, She solves the shortage problem of pigments or inks from lower level herbs. And after her you can make those minors from jade/lion ink. Great glyph sellers.</p> <p>Being a scribe is a way of life, maybe not everybody likes to mess with scrolls, vellums or inks. I like it very much and for me its the easiest way of making money. I sell glyphs with price on AH around 20-40g which ones changes from time to time. Average is 25g. Never list more than 2 of each type at a time.</p> <p>Quick hints for those seeking for making money with glyphs:</p> <p>1) Scan AH using the minor list provide in this forum. Write down the good ones on your server.<br /> 2) If 1 is too much work, just scan AH for glyph and order by max price. Pick a couple of glyphs with good price, scan them to see all entries of your pick. Enlist your refined selection.</p> <p>Its 10-15 minutes of work by day and have a nice income. If it still too much work then just do dailys for money (argh).</p> <p>Zim </p> http://www.elsprofessions.com/forums/topic/issues-with-inscription-and-value-for-investment#post-287 Mon, 26 Jan 2009 22:57:28 +0000 el 287@http://www.elsprofessions.com/forums/ <p>Each individual enchant scroll created requires one fresh vellum.</p> <p>Originally vellum sales were minimal: The cost of making vellum was greater than the inconvenience of enchanting via the trade window; and very few enchanters were leveling the profession because of the high cost of materials.</p> <p>Patch 3.0.8 has altered the overall balance, to make vellum more viable. Armor Vellum III should cost you under 5g an item to make now, which isn't too much to add to an enchant selling (mostly) for over 50g. That said, vellum is primarily useful for leveling enchanting. At higher levels, I find enchanting is like running a restaurant: All the dishes use large amounts of similar ingredients, so it is much more efficient to wait until a customer needs a specific enchant, than waste expensive materials on enchant scrolls that might never sell.</p> <p>Regardless, enchanting will always be a high-value, low volume profession, so even if every enchant uses vellum, it won't create a massive demand. And if you try and sell vellum at to high a price, enchanters can always fall back to the trade window.</p> <p>My personal experience is that scrolls generally don't sell, or don't sell for anywhere near the cost of making them. VIII scrolls average 1 Resilient Parchment and 1 Azure Pigment (roughly 2 herbs) per scroll made - upwards of 3g of materials per scroll. The scroll is almost always listed at auction for less.</p> <p>Off-hand epics may be worth trying. These no longer require Inscription to use. However, there is a lot relatively easy loot in heroics and 10-mans, and you can only expect to sell the same off-hand to each caster-type once.</p> <p>Darkmoon Cards are becoming a harder sell with each passing Faire. Eternal Life has dropped a lot in price (from over 50g to around 10g in my experience), making cards cheaper to produce. But there's a risk that you get stuck with cards or decks for months - meanwhile the cost of the materials falls further, and you never make any profit. We've not yet seen any of the Uldar raid (patch 3.1) drops, but there's a good chance those will be better than anything any profession can produce - which <em>might</em> render Darkmoon Cards practically worthless.</p> <p>Oh, and finally to echo leonal.ee: Now that many Scribes have stopped trying to sell anything, there are sometimes opportunities for specific glyphs. Keep in mind that many (perhaps the majority) of glyphs will never sell under normal circumstances, while a handful of glyphs will end up being used by practically everyone playing that class. </p> http://www.elsprofessions.com/forums/topic/issues-with-inscription-and-value-for-investment#post-286 Mon, 26 Jan 2009 19:18:00 +0000 Felkan 286@http://www.elsprofessions.com/forums/ <p>For me, taking inscription has been the 2nd biggest mistake in my WoW career (the first was not playing a druid from day one). I've easily spent 5000g (if not more) to reach this level. And I've made almost nothing. That said, I do not have the game time to figure out what sells and what doesn't. I tried for a couple of days and just pulled my hair out. But I guess if it was easy, everyone would do it.</p> <p>Now that mining is one click, I'll probably just drop inscription for mining (again). I dread the mining grind from 225-300, but after that it is just passive income (along with my herbalism). It seems gathering professions are about all I can tolerate. Crafting just seems to consume my time and money. I barely play 10-12 hours a week and would rather run 5-mans than play the AH.</p> <p>Do scrolls sell? Why do vellum's sell? I though enchanters only needed 1 vellum to make as many enchant scrolls as they wanted. Did something change?</p> <p>The darkmoon cards cost so much time (gathering) or gold (to buy mats) to make I find it painful. The other day I thought I'd see what it would take to make one card. I bought 100 herbs and could not make 1 card. Though today I might be able to since I could sell normal inks for the rare ink. Even then, you don't get to pick the deck which means you could end up with some really crappy card. If every card was a Noble card, I'd stick with it. </p> http://www.elsprofessions.com/forums/topic/issues-with-inscription-and-value-for-investment#post-285 Tue, 20 Jan 2009 18:21:38 +0000 leonal.ee 285@http://www.elsprofessions.com/forums/ <p>I make 600g to 2000g per day selling only minor glyphs. My scribe is only level 51 so I can't make any of the Northrend glyphs. On the Sentinals server, the scribes who sell minor glyphs started talking to each other and the majority have agreed to undercut each other by only 1s or less. This dramatically slows the price erosion. I often buy up all the glyphs in a category that have dropped below 10g and start the cycle again at 20g to 40g depending on the glyph. </p> <p>Also, it helps to steamline your operation. I initially filled all my bags with glyphs and used Auctioneer's Appraiser tab to slowly go through each one. I finally started keeping track of which glyphs were selling and which I was posting uselessly over and over. I whittled my list down to the 25 most profitable and started to keep 10 of each of those in my bags. I then figured out how to use Auctioneer's Batch Post functionality to automatically post 1 of each glyph for 1c less then the lowest price. I post each glyph for no longer than 12 hours. This keeps my inventory needs low. I post 1 of each profitable glyph every 12 hours and if I'm able to check more frequently, I refill the ones that have sold between checks. (My top 3 sellers get 2 glyphs posted at a time.)</p> <p>With two checks per day, I've been selling 40 glyphs easily. On weekends or days where I have more ability to check in I've sold over 100 in a day. The average price for the glyphs on my most profitable list have hovered above 15g with some of the most popular easily selling for 40g every day. Remember, my scribe is only level 51, so these are all lower level glyphs. Most of them are minor glyphs but a few are major glyphs. The key is to buy up folks that undercut by too much and to watch folks who consistently undercut and talk to them. Very few scribes resist once you explain that by cooperating, everyone makes more money. After a few tries it becomes clear to them that 1s is all you need to undercut to get your glyphs purchased and the massive undercutting stops. </p> <p>Darkmoon cards and decks sold for me a little for a while, but that market pretty much dried up. Honestly, though, I'm convinced I could make more if I spent some time trying out some of the other major glyphs. I've concentrated mostly on minor glyphs and only have a half dozen major glyphs on my most profitable list. I plan to see if I can at 5 or so more major glyphs that sell well whose price I can keep propped up through selective buying and communication with competition. </p> <p>I have an alt with each profession and inscription has been by far the most profitable for me. With pretty much every other profession, the materials are easy to look up and buy on the auction house. Most other professions will craft for free if you bring mats which makes it very hard to make a profit. With inscription, the connection between mats and end product is not easy for the non-inscriptionist to figure out so they're stuck paying whatever you ask. Persistance and applying constant upward pressure by buying up folks who undercut too much will prove profitable if you give it a try. </p> <p>Hope this is helpful! </p> http://www.elsprofessions.com/forums/topic/issues-with-inscription-and-value-for-investment#post-284 Sat, 17 Jan 2009 06:26:45 +0000 gullet 284@http://www.elsprofessions.com/forums/ <p>I'm still making 500-800g a day and that's mainly on glyphs that don't use the Northrend herbs. Some of my best sellers are the majority of DK glyphs.</p> <p>If you're not making any gold then you're probably doing something wrong or not putting in enough time or effort into selling them. You have to be willing to pull them off and relist at regular intervals to keep ahead of people undercutting you.</p> <p>And forget about trying to make money on glyphs you leveled up on. You'd make more money with scrolls then on any of those. </p> http://www.elsprofessions.com/forums/topic/help-im-maxed-out-and-the-gold-train-is-gone#post-281 Wed, 07 Jan 2009 23:36:07 +0000 Yender 281@http://www.elsprofessions.com/forums/ <p>I too have made thousands of gold (over 18000) but I can imagine the market will vary a lot on different servers. You have to be rather lucky with which glyphs you discover and whether or not anyone else has discovered that glyph and are selling it. The market seems to fluctuate on my server; After patch 3.0.x pre-wrath, glyphs sold for hundreds in the first few days but gradually dropped to a few gold. When wrath was released and northrend glyphs were discovered, the same happened. Recently less Scribes have been selling glyphs. Some have made all the money they need from the profession but mainly, I feel, it is because everyone has the glyphs they want - I must have sold well over 100 glyphs of devastate, most warriors have it now :)</p> <p>A good strategy for making money off inscription would be to study patch notes and decide which glyphs people will want to buy and whether changes to glyphs have made them more attractive or not. After every glyph I discovered I would check comments on various database websites to see if players liked the glyph. Patch 3.0.8 will bring many changes to glyphs; Ones I have noticed in particular are warrior and Death Knight glyphs. Most of the changes are improvements and the glyphs in question are used in main dps rotations - they will sell, stock up on them for now.</p> <p>As a note, I don't think the darkmoon cards are good for making money. Sure if you make a decent one (...of Nobles) you can make ~1000g per card but there's a lot of chance and you might never sell one of the "lesser" cards/decks. </p> http://www.elsprofessions.com/forums/topic/help-im-maxed-out-and-the-gold-train-is-gone#post-279 Mon, 05 Jan 2009 12:32:18 +0000 Zim 279@http://www.elsprofessions.com/forums/ <p>Just add:<br /> The Darkmoon card maket is crazy on my server:</p> <p>Nobles decks: 14000g<br /> Single cards: 1500-2000g.</p> <p>Totally random luck, Its not something to relly on but what the hell give a try and have fun.<br /> Just a warning you need learn when to cash out (like any casino).</p> <p>Zim</p> <p>I just made 2000g from spare ink from major glyphs: a noble card + 1 chaos. Hey there is no need to start a discussion if its worth try or not making cards, Its just a lottery with a high prize. </p> http://www.elsprofessions.com/forums/topic/help-im-maxed-out-and-the-gold-train-is-gone#post-276 Sun, 04 Jan 2009 21:01:57 +0000 Rhamona 276@http://www.elsprofessions.com/forums/ <p>Glyph-selling has slowed somewhat on Sisters of Elune, but it's still a steady business. I do the same as Kestre, focusing on glyphs that sell for 20g+, and I'm still averaging 250-350g a day. Having the patience to pay attention day to day helps keep my glyphs moving. Having the patience to harvest my own herbs helps with the profitability. Just call me the tortoise ;) </p> http://www.elsprofessions.com/forums/topic/help-im-maxed-out-and-the-gold-train-is-gone#post-271 Wed, 31 Dec 2008 02:41:43 +0000 Nils 271@http://www.elsprofessions.com/forums/ <p>Inscription-for-profit is broken on Twisting Nether. Discoverable major glyphs are going for 8-12 g each, darkmoon cards are going for 200G, and mats alone cost 500-600G per card.</p> <p>Its now a broken profession, with no money to be made, only dumped into it.</p> <p>Yes, there are maybe half a dozen well selling glyphs, but once you post to AH - you are undercut within a few hours. </p> <p>Not dumping it - yet - but am watching it to see what may happen in the near future. Main reason I dont dump it now it htat I have alts to level, with other much more profitable professions. </p> http://www.elsprofessions.com/forums/topic/help-im-maxed-out-and-the-gold-train-is-gone#post-270 Mon, 29 Dec 2008 12:32:20 +0000 Zim 270@http://www.elsprofessions.com/forums/ <p>Hello Tantoroth,</p> <p>I guess we don´t have a "Moonsroud robe" or "motorcycle" from our skill list, but like the others had replied I agree you can make good money search for demanding glyphs. I add this: it changes from week or even day to day, maybe because others scribes gave up posting that so cheap glyphs and then you find a spot to profit or maybe because minors are left behind without none posted on AH.<br /> Inscription is very easy to raise and has some low cost materials, but you need some work to make money and its an easy work... just watch the market. I dont have herbalism and buy most of herbs and inks (inks? yes ink of sea is very cheap on my server) I use the El´s list of herb and mills so if the given herb is expensive look for the others alternative and make a good deal!</p> <p>Good luck,<br /> Zim, an inscription defender and entusiastic.</p> <p>PS: I´d like to see some Inscription love on next patches, but right now its easy money already. </p> http://www.elsprofessions.com/forums/topic/help-im-maxed-out-and-the-gold-train-is-gone#post-267 Fri, 26 Dec 2008 15:25:07 +0000 deadtolife 267@http://www.elsprofessions.com/forums/ <p>About 2 weeks ago I almost gave up inscriptions for mining because I wasn't making enough gold. With the number of scribes there are there weren't very many unique glyphs. I did make a fair amount of gold early on. </p> <p>I made and sold my first Darkmoon card. It was a Nobles card. I forget what number. I sold it for 600g within minutes of posting in trade chat. If I knew better I would have sold it for more. Heck, I didn't know. </p> <p>Making cards is how I make my gold now. It is a crap shoot trying for the Nobles cards but the other decks sell ok too. The Undeath cards on my server (Garithos) sell for around 500g each. The Chaos cards about 250g each and the Prisms for a tiny bit lower than the Chaos cards.</p> <p>I can make about 2 cards per hour. I also have herbalism so that's definitely a good thing. I go to Sholazar Basin, collect about 10 stacks and start milling. Sometimes the icy pigments are nowhere to be seen. Only like 1 every couple of stacks. My luck sucks sometimes. Other times it seems like I get Icy Pigments more than 50% of the time. Whatever, to me I like it. A little bit over 1 hours worth of work and at the least I make 500g. If I make 2 Nobles cards then WOO HOO, 2k gold. That's never happenned but someday it will. My unlucky fingers are crossed.</p> <p>I don't even plan on making gold from glyohs anymore. Darkmoon cards all the way. If the Darkmoon card market goes away then I am definitely dropping Inscription. </p> http://www.elsprofessions.com/forums/topic/help-im-maxed-out-and-the-gold-train-is-gone#post-266 Wed, 24 Dec 2008 19:41:34 +0000 Alzerina 266@http://www.elsprofessions.com/forums/ <p>I agree with Kestre. I just hit lvl 450, yesterday, and have made thousands of gold selling the higher priced glyphs such as the ones Kestre listed (on Hellscream server). I've made a few of the darkmoon cards (mostly to level up), but considering the money to be gained from selling snowfall ink, rather than using it to make cards, I don't think there's much profit to be made from the cards. I would like to see other ways to discover new glyphs (maybe from questing, etc), and perhaps some new (and useful) scrolls that only inscriptors can make. I think selling snowfall ink (75g each on Hellscream, atm) is going to be a money making scheme I'll try for awhile. It would be nice if there was an addon that could sync with Auctioneer to show you the current AH prices of all your glyphs, without having to look at each one as I currently do. Oh and I would highly recommend Auctioneer for those serious about selling glyphs on the AH. Keep an eye on the "undercut" price, cause the prices of most glyphs goes down daily. If and when Blizzard puts the "dual spec" in play, there should be another big rush on glyphs for people to fill out their "second spec". Have your inks ready scribes.</p> <p>Any other suggestions for how to make money from inscription? I'd love to hear it.</p> <p>Alzerina<br /> Hellscream </p> http://www.elsprofessions.com/forums/topic/help-im-maxed-out-and-the-gold-train-is-gone#post-265 Wed, 24 Dec 2008 17:23:27 +0000 Kestre 265@http://www.elsprofessions.com/forums/ <p>I have had no problem making thousands of gold on inscription. I haven't found a good add-on specifically for scribes, so you have to do this the good old fashioned way: search all the popular glyphs every day. I only post glyphs at 20g + unless I have some old glyphs lying around from leveling (and believe me, I have dozens of those). Consistently posting your glyphs will make you cash. At the worst, an ink of the sea costs me 7g each. At best, 1g each when I buy in bulk from the AH. There are plenty of scribes on my server who are playing the RNG game for Darkmoon cards and sell off their leftover Ink of the Sea for 20g a stack.<br /> So, 1-7g per glyph selling at 20-35g each. Not bad margins. I sell maybe a dozen glyphs a day but only a few of each kind. I check the popular ones and make only up to 3 more at a time in case the market suddenly bottoms out. YMMV but some of the popular glyphs on my server are: Chain Heal, Circle of Healing, Obliterate, Seal of Wisdom, Mangle, Bestial Wrath, Steady Shot, Frostfire, and Enduring Victory. Always price yours lower than your competition unless it's at too low prices. You're working with excellent margins only limited by how big the buyer's market is. And the buyer's market is VERY small compared to, lets say, gems.<br /> The other way I've been making gold, but will soon tank due to the Sea -&gt; Snowfall vendor, is selling snowfall ink to the crazy card making people. Adder's Tongue and Icethorn sell for 40g a stack on good days. I get 1 snowfall ink per stack of those, on average. The snowfall ink sells for 80-100g. Sudden profit. I had a lot of leftover ink of the sea, and I burned through a ton of it on vellums to sell. That market's crashed a bit, from 10g per armor vellum iii, and 20g per weapon vellum iii, to 5 and 8 gold respectively.<br /> I'm speaking as someone who has made roughly 15k since Inscription was released. I'm sure there are more dedicated people out there who have made more. </p> http://www.elsprofessions.com/forums/topic/help-im-maxed-out-and-the-gold-train-is-gone#post-264 Wed, 24 Dec 2008 00:03:51 +0000 el 264@http://www.elsprofessions.com/forums/ <p>There's some <a href="http://www.elsprofessions.com/forums/topic/issues-with-inscription-and-value-for-investment">further comment here</a>.</p> <p>There are a few little tweaks coming (ability to sell Ink of Sea for other inks, removing the Inscription skill requirement from off-hands), and Darkmoon cards have been profitable for some scribes recently. But nothing really addresses the fundamental balance issue.</p> <p>In my opinion, the shoulder enchant is <em>currently</em> the main benefit of the profession. Inscription is one of the easiest professions to level, and provides a personal benefit similar to a "hardcore" profession such as enchanting. Of course enchanting would also give you a viable trade profession.</p> <p>Will that change? The developers rarely comment on professions design, so it is hard to know what they are thinking. </p> http://www.elsprofessions.com/forums/topic/help-im-maxed-out-and-the-gold-train-is-gone#post-263 Tue, 23 Dec 2008 15:38:11 +0000 Tantoroth 263@http://www.elsprofessions.com/forums/ <p>Ok El, I trust what you say, and I really think this should be addressed somewhere. </p> <p>Are Inscriptions doomed to being a self serving profession? Granted, the sholder glyphs are the best in the game, but only for the individual, the decks are still good sellers for awhile, but the odds are so wildly uncontroled it is hard to get anything you want (I think its something like a 35% chance to get the same deck, and .5% chance of the correct card?). </p> <p>My experiance being one of the slower leveled, yet still "top" inscriptionist in my server (horde, Bronzebeard), and felt the need to put my concerns out there and see what I get in response.</p> <p>So, we are to farm hundreds of herbs a day (w/o a daily quest, that needs to be fixed), mill herbs which have a low chance of droping the pigments we need, only to get a marginally minimal chance to get the card we need? Am I missing something here?</p> <p>So far I have dumped approx. 500g in training alone, and spent 2 weeks doing nothing but collecting herbs for 8 hours a afternoon. (catching up after I speed leveled to 80)</p> <p>I haven't made a dime so far, I missed out on the big "surge" of glyphs people were buying, and I'm wanting to know the payoff, you know? </p> <p>Don't get me wrong, it feels very rewarding to power level this skill, I am proud of myself for sticking it out, and getting to where I am....</p> <p>But my charater that is my inscriptionist is a holy priest, and you stop crafting off-hands at 78, what is that about? I mean, there isn't anymore training out there, our patterns are "found" like JC, Tailoring, enchants, BS, and all the other "crafting" proffesions... so WTF? Where is our "Moonsroud robe" or "motorcycle", I mean we don't get anything but stupid random cards that you can maybe squeese 1 out a day. </p> <p>Sorry for the rant, but I know you all feel the pain. Thanks for reading!!</p> <p>- Lyricraine<br /> (80 BE, holy priest, Bronzebeard) -only one w/ my name in the game actually. </p>